Weblog entry #11 for ajt

Java in Eclipse
Posted by ajt on Thu 30 Jul 2009 at 21:27
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Today I spent most of the day trying to write some Java code using the Eclipse IDE. It's fair to say I don't do Java or Eclipse and it was very much a hunt and click experiment, even so it was painfully slow to get anything done. No wonder Jave code is slow if it takes a day to get "Hello World" out of the door, it's no wonder that SAP PI is so painfully slow if it's all been written in Java!

Before anyone complains, this isn't just a mindless rant, I'm well aware that if I'd had a little help it probably wouldn't have been as bad, I'm just pointing out the complexity of Eclipse and Java relative to Perl...

Once I've got more familiar with the tool and the language it probably won't be too bad, well I hope it won't seem as painful...!

 

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Posted by Anonymous (38.105.xx.xx) on Fri 31 Jul 2009 at 00:59
I also spent the day programming Java in Eclipse. I agree that when you first approach Eclipse or Netbeans it's an impenetrable tangle of mysterious options. And it stays that way for a good long time. But once you get over the steep part of the learning curve it's another world. Code completion and refactoring, what bliss! The speed with which you can knock out the code once you've mastered it is incredible.

I'm emotionally attached to Perl, but I do love me a good IDE. Let's hope Padre catches up.

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Posted by ajt (195.145.xx.xx) on Fri 31 Jul 2009 at 08:55
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It probably will get better but at the moment it's one hell of a steep learning curve!

I've not looked at Padre yet, though I have heard a lot about it

For most of my Perl development I've used simple tools, Programmer's File Editor, GNU nano, Geany, or Kate. I keep trying more sophisticated tools like Eclipse EPIC or Komodo but I don't have the patience for them...

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Adam

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Posted by Anonymous (213.156.xx.xx) on Mon 3 Aug 2009 at 20:56
Eclipse is big. But in its size it's also very convenient. Not for writing 'hello world', for which a command line is enough -- for Perl as well as for Java. But when you're writing enterprise-size code the tool is really worth its price (i.e. developer learning time). And I mean the REAL, well written code, not the patch-over-patch of SAP interfaces.

If you need some assistance in writing in Eclipse, either in Java or (basic) Perl EPIC, just drop me a note at jest at go.art.pl.

Przemek

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Posted by ajt (195.112.xx.xx) on Tue 4 Aug 2009 at 21:31
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It probably is worth learning, it's just a steep curve.

What is annoying though is SAP's "patch over patch" design. It's part way enterprise and part way hack, however it has the bad bits of both, over-complex and hard to maintain, while missing the robustness and elegance bits out...

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Adam

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